The Talent Forge: Shaping the Future of Training and Development with Jay Johnson

Leading With Purpose: The Journey from Corporate Life to Purpose-Driven Initiatives with Elona Lopari

• Jay Johnson • Season 1 • Episode 16

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Ever wondered how to align your professional life with your personal purpose? Join us in this enlightening episode of Talent Forge as we welcome Elona Lopari, CEO of the Life School, to share her inspiring journey from the corporate world to spearheading purpose-driven initiatives. Elona opens her heart about the courage it took to step out of her comfort zone and embrace a life guided by purpose. Her transformative story provides a roadmap for those looking to bridge the gap between everyday responsibilities and deeper, more meaningful goals.

This episode is a treasure trove of actionable advice for anyone striving to lead with purpose in talent development and beyond. Don't miss the chance to transform your leadership approach with insights from this captivating conversation.

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Jay Johnson works with people and organizations to empower teams, grow profits, and elevate leadership. He is a Co-Founder of Behavioral Elements®, a two-time TEDx speaker, and a designated Master Trainer by the Association for Talent Development. With a focus on behavioral intelligence, Jay has delivered transformational workshops to accelerate high-performance teams and cultures in more than 30 countries across four continents. For inquiries, contact jay@behavioralelements.com or connect below!

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Jay Johnson:

Welcome to this episode of the Talent Forge, where we are shaping the future of training and development. Today, I am joined by special guest Elona Lopari, the CEO of the Life School. Welcome to the show, Elona.

Elona Lopari:

Thanks so much, Jay. Thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure.

Jay Johnson:

I'm super glad to have you and Elona, why don't we start with a little bit about yourself? Can you help our audience get?

Elona Lopari:

to know you and share a little bit of how you got into this talent development space. Yeah well, my mission and purpose to help purpose driven entrepreneurs and CEOs much like myself to utilize their purpose, the line purpose and profit so they can do more good in the world, because I really believe that conscious leaders, people that are offering a service. I specialize in the service space because I love the that conscious leaders, people that are offering a service. I specialize in the service space because I love the service aspect of anything. Being off service towards others is a space that I love to operate in and that has stemmed from my long corporate career chasing the American dream, some of the struggles that I've had in my own journey and also my experience with seeing where a company, how fast it could turn toxic and hurt its profits when you put profits first and then purpose second. So now it's almost become my mission, through my experience, to be able to help companies do that.

Elona Lopari:

Building talent was always one of my people skills that I never knew I had inside of me. I really believe everything we do is through human relationships and my mission is to humanize business and, when it comes to leadership and developing talent, understanding the personal side also, the professional side, is really important. I've seen I work for in the HR space for many years with a company I just spoke about, worked for in the HR space for many years with a company I just spoke about and I've seen how a lot of companies are sideskip the personal, the purpose, the other areas of their team's personal lives and they just focus on more of the you know, the business side of things. So I think it's time to harmonize both worlds and that's kind of why I do what I do and why I feel compelled to share my message.

Jay Johnson:

I love that. I love how clear you are on your why. I actually just and it's interesting that you bring that up I was just speaking at a Disrupt HR conference and one of the titles of the talks was putting the human back into human resources, and I think that that's kind of a big challenge. So, seeing your trajectory, you know, moving out of that corporate space and into a space where you're living your mission now such a powerful thing. Let's start by breaking down this concept of purpose. Right, we hear purpose all over the place, like purpose-driven companies, purpose-driven leadership. You know if you know your purpose, et cetera, et cetera. Help us get clear. You know, if I'm in the audience and I'm hearing purpose all over the place, what does it mean to lead with purpose or to be a purpose-driven leader? Or even, you know how do I build purpose into my company? Let's start by defining it, and then I'm going to go a little bit deeper on a couple of other questions with this.

Elona Lopari:

I love your question and obviously everybody has their own insights and experiences around how they define, you know, certain concepts. For me, purpose is really being connected to something bigger than yourself and really believing that the thing that you're after is towards contribution, towards somebody else and your experience has somehow qualified you, or you feel compelled, to share now what you have learned, the pain you've gone through, the highlights, the pain and the pleasure you've gone through, the passion and the pleasure you've gone through to now share that with other people and always stay within your light as a leader. To me, like that's what purpose is being clear on the reason why you are here, why do you do what you do and how does that actually connect to the bigger reason why you think you're actually physically here in the world?

Jay Johnson:

Oh, I like that. Okay, so the connection to something larger. That's beautiful, alona. Now, when we, when we think about this and something that I've heard in a number of different places, is like I go to work every day so I can pay the mortgage, because I need to pay the mortgage, or I go to work every day because I want to put food on my family's table, is that a you know? And obviously those are great reasons and we obviously have to pay the mortgage or we have to put food on a table. So I'm not disparaging that in any way. Is that something that would qualify as purpose in Alona's world, or is it something a little bit deeper than that?

Elona Lopari:

Um, I believe that we have to harmonize both right. So, yes, we do live in a physical world. We all have, you know, day to day. You know challenges. We have bills, we got within our companies, we got expenses. You know we don't always have the things that we want at a certain moment in time. So I feel like that's just the human experience we always going to be looking for something else and we always going to be lacking or chasing something else.

Elona Lopari:

I've seen that with money, I've seen in my personal life, I've seen in my clients. I've seen it, you know, for health. I've seen it for other areas as well. So I just look at everything more like a holistic. To me, that seems like all one thing, because, when it comes to the core piece that's important, I was that person, to be very, very clear. So you just connected me to where I was. I stayed too long in a place where it did not serve me, that did not honor my gifts, that I stayed for the wrong reason. Because, yes, there's like kid stuff. You know, my 401k, my health insurance, safety, safety, comfort zone. That's what I was trained to do, because my parents obviously were first generation immigrants and you know they're like okay, well, we struggle, so you don't have to, so you have a good job, you have a good career. And when I mentioned to all the people that loved me, uh, that I was going to venture as an entrepreneur, you could guess what I heard.

Elona Lopari:

I heard a lot your job and and just figure this out. On this on the side, let's see if you like it. You know, at least I had positive advice. I know many people get the opposite, where it's like you know what the heck are you talking about? Like, keep what you're doing, that's crazy, right? So I think we all will have that every time we we get connected to something again bigger, because I really believe that we're spiritual beings anyway and we all hear certain things or get attracted to certain things, even though sometimes we don't always know like what that is. For me it was that inner voice, so I ignored it for I think three years and I just prolonged and procrastinated and it just came like stronger. I was so bothered I'm like I wasn't literally in conflict. I had to change. I had to do something because whatever I, wherever I was, I had already outgrown it, but I was just resisting because it was just comfortable.

Jay Johnson:

I rather know the evil, the devil, that I you know, the devil that we know is exactly yeah, and the new.

Elona Lopari:

Like this new journey, it could be, be scary, I could fail. I had a lot of my ego attached to my position and my status, so I changed the changes.

Jay Johnson:

I mean change is always hard. In that situation, right, like in the history of no one did they ever get the phone call. I need you to come down to my office and immediately think that they were getting a raise, right, we always think about the worst possible scenario oh I'm getting fired, or oh, this is going to happen because we do have that really strong drive to defend. So I mean kudos to you, Elona, for having the courage to take that step out. I remember when I told my dad I was going to be an entrepreneur, he was like awesome, for what company? And I was like, um, my own. So I, I understand, I understand where that's coming from. I want to dive into I really, I really appreciate this concept of purpose and I think, probably, if I was to if I'm to be very vulnerable I probably found my purpose much later than I would have liked. And you know, my purpose now is very clear. It's so clear to me.

Jay Johnson:

It's every day I get up and what do I want to do? I want to make the talent development industry better. I want to day I get up and what do I want to do? I want to make the talent development industry better. I want to be able to provide better trainings. I want to support more people. I want to help trainers, coaches. That's why I'm publishing a book on the topic. That's why I'm doing this podcast. That's why I'm doing an elite training academy. I know what my purpose is, because I think that being utilizing some behavioral science can really elevate some of the things that we're doing. So I found my purpose. There's a lot of people out there that haven't. How do you help them sort of discover what's your process for getting somebody? Take that young Jay Johnson who's I don't know what I want to be when I grow up. How do you help me find my purpose?

Elona Lopari:

up. How do you help me find my purpose? I think something that could be something that people could do, you know, on their own, because obviously I have my. I even have a free resource that I can offer to the audience around this, one where I put together 50 of the most purposeful questions that I asked myself. Go deep, cause you gotta go deep, you know to, to figure out some of this information, and most people are surface level and a lot of times we can't see our own blind spots, so we do stay at that surface level.

Elona Lopari:

So obviously there's people that support with it uh, whether it's me or other other people to ask those, um, tough love questions, because if you love somebody, you got to ask those questions so that you can almost like block them, block them from their their BS right, because we have a lot of BS that we put you know, we connect with, unfortunately, because of our personal experiences and all that. So I think the easiest thing to do that I now know it's like something that everybody can start with is pay attention to things that light you up, things that you get attracted to, whether it's content that you get attracted to a show, people, hobbies, activities, personal and professional experiences, topics, themes, things like that. So, because I realized that through paying attention to some of those things, even though obviously the timing might not be now, and that's the other part understanding how to time, keep now, all these things, so then you're eventually building on purpose, is not something I feel like. It's purpose is like the big vision right for your life, and then it's almost like we work backwards all the time and I do the same thing with companies, right, because we have the vision, mission, values, but we've got to work backwards to time, track, time, keep implement, cause obviously we also need to take inspired action to make it happen.

Elona Lopari:

I'm not, I mean, I'm a pragmatist. I I came from the left brain world, right, I understand that to me the stuff seemed like Whoa, what is this? Like? I don't understand. You mean, I don't like I don't have to do it when I need to do it, like I came from a lot of that programming. So I think the easiest thing you know, practical advice pay attention to your life, pay attention to things that attract you. There's a reason why that attracts you and not me because it's connected to your purpose, connect your individual journey here on earth.

Jay Johnson:

The second thing is find a spiritual practice, whatever you like meditation, take a walk in the park, activities you enjoy, maybe yoga class, things that you get attracted to, because the more you tap into that, the more you start to nurture that other side of you where you can get quiet enough to hear your intuition, because we all have different types I do so much meditation and for so long I I was I'm not going to say I was doing it wrong, because they tell you you're not doing it wrong but like the idea of quieting my mind, and every single time, like I was, just I'd sit there and I'd try to get myself into the space and the zone of, you know, breathing in, breathing out, and I've realized I'm like, oh my gosh, I've got this idea. I want to write it down and I'm like, okay, well, just be present, be present. After a while I'm actually much, much better at that. But I want to tap into something that you said. You know what lights you up or what you're passionate about. I I would say that I really, really affirmed my love for training and talent development, especially during COVID, like when everything had shut down for a little while and had been like a week and a half since I had not been able to train or not. You know, we hadn't switched into virtual quite yet and my sister had a number of stuffed animals that were like in storage at my house and I had set them all up as an audience and I was like practicing and I was doing this and I was finding so much joy and fun humor out of it that I was like it did light me up.

Jay Johnson:

But for me, the pathway, for me finding what I loved was actually from a pain point. And then I transitioned into realizing how much I loved it. And the pain point was I had sat through one too many really um, unengaging, uninformative, sort of out there training experiences and I like I remember being 22 year old, me sitting there and going there's got to be a better way to do this. There has to be a better way to do this. Now, I'd already been interested in behavioral science, so that was something that I was passionate about. I was like learning about myself, learning about other people, what makes them tick. I was a people watcher. I enjoyed all of that. I was also a debater, so I liked speaking, and then having to sit through like one too many trainings was just like I'm going to do this better and that's. You know that the audience deserves better, and that was kind of how I felt at the time, maybe a little bit egotistical, but you know that's really blossomed into.

Jay Johnson:

I like helping people and I really, really enjoy helping people in the talent development space, because I think learning is one of the highest values that we can have, as you know people. So I'm really digging what you're saying here and whatever the resources I'm going to ask you a little bit later, like where can people get in touch with you? Where could they find that resource? Because I think that's super powerful. Let's transition this.

Jay Johnson:

If I'm a trainer and say I'm doing a, you know, whatever it is, whether it's a leadership workshop, whether it's a conflict management workshop, whether it's a sales workshop or anything else like that I got to imagine that purpose plays a role in all of our different behaviors, whether we're motivated by something, or whether we're interested in something, or whether it aligns with us on that personal values. How do you, how would you coach maybe a trainer or another coach to incorporate something like purpose into their talks? Or how do, how do we bridge the gap between all the different skills or knowledge that you know? Maybe purpose isn't getting enough attention. What do you think, Elona?

Elona Lopari:

Yeah, I love your question, Jay, and I didn't always have that common piece of behavior in neuroscience. I got my master's in it as well through working with people, because you realize that through much I think pain, even through my podcast, because I love to interview you, I love the channel of podcasting. That's how I started in the journey, so to me it's like I love the speaking side too, so I was always attracted to just share my message through speaking, and podcasting was that beginner channel. But even through all the guests that I've interviewed I think it's over 500 people now I've seen pain to be the catalyst of pretty much what we feel compelled to solve for other people so that they don't have to go through that pain and it becomes part of our purpose. So you hit the nail on the head, start with pleasure and you'll start to tap into some of the pain points that you've gone through in your journey and then you'll know when is the biggest pain point and the biggest aha moment that you feel like this is a problem I want to solve now. So that would be the advice for a trainer that wherever they are in the journey, you know they have their experience and they feel compelled to solve that. Clarify the problem they want to solve in the journey in the right spot that they're in.

Elona Lopari:

I'm a big fundamental kind of girl so I hate superficial stuff. So to me it's get to the core of what is the sustainable transformation that that problem that you want to solve can give people right. So figure that out. And I know at the beginning wherever they're on the journey. If you're at the beginning, you got to just help a lot of people so you figure it out right, because through experience you learn. But if you're obviously more advanced and you know you're in the journey for a while, never stop evolving. Talk to the people you're serving. Pay attention to their. You know their. The way they speak about their pain points right. Figure out what's at the depth of things. I think we are missing, especially in the coaching space and the online space and the business world, or even like generally all of all the play you know all globally, we're missing depth.

Elona Lopari:

Everything is fast, Everything's superficial, Everything is shiny, Everything is.

Jay Johnson:

I want a pill that solves all my conflict problems. Yeah, absolutely.

Elona Lopari:

So I've always been this kind of person. I'm like what is at the core of this? What is the root cause of this pain point for people that I feel compelled to solve? So I say you know, challenge yourself with that piece and then, once you figure that out, the aha moment. Then structure it out as to the potential process and steps that people have to take to get those results or to get that transformation. I like to just use my left brain for lots of executive stuff, obviously. So I'm like okay, so what are the steps that I wanted to take to get this transformative results?

Elona Lopari:

And then that's how I create. And I create my offers, I create my business model, I create Ascension offers for my clients, because I'm always trying to solve problems and you cannot do this in a vacuum. You've got to be. I get fed by people, right? I'm a high introvert. I'll go on my own and do all this inside and all of that, because that's where I live the best. I recharge myself. But I need to create through feeding myself with people. That means every interaction I'm learning something new. Every conversation is just giving me a new light bulb moment, right? So that's why I love to talk to humans, whether it's virtual or live, and the spaces where there's people around me all the time, because I find that that is the food I need to create, to support, to share. So that's kind of how I do it, you know, and I never stop. I just always try to improve. Continuous improvement is the name of the game, personal and professional.

Jay Johnson:

So I really love what you're saying too, because I think something that you're tapping into is is not even just that purpose, but you're very clear on what is motivating to you. And and it's interesting, right, Like so, when we think about introversion or extroversion, a lot of times we, um, kind of the shallow side of it is, oh well, I don't want to be around people, or I do want to be around people, and it's actually much deeper than that. And when we think about, like, how clear you are and saying, hey, I'm fueled by people, I'm fueled by interaction, that doesn't mean that you don't need to take a step back every now and then and reset the calendar, reset the energy and sort of like, have some of that sort of buy it time or private time or you time.

Elona Lopari:

Hey, can I share something? Introverts crave depth. That's why I think the more depth there is, the better it is for introverts. So I think that's a myth that I busted a long time ago, and we even talk about the ambient. Now, right, the extrovert and the complementation of both. I think you have to honor yourself. Where is your energy dropping? I pay attention to energy levels and that's how I know how to be in the flow and what is it that I need to to schedule myself with um, and how to put boundaries towards the service, towards others, because, yes, you can get depleted. Right, because we, you, you're not always coming into contact with light. You're always coming into, sometimes with toxicity and darkness, right, so we have both as humans doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with us.

Elona Lopari:

However, some of us haven't figured out how to tap into both and then utilize it. So, anyway, you've got me in my passions, like started speaking, so I absolutely know.

Jay Johnson:

I love that, though, because you know for so long. If you would have ever seen me in the outside world, you'd be like, wow, that is an extreme extrovert. Like he's on stage, he's doing this and you know, like at a conference or anything like that, I'm always around people. What people don't see is that when I leave that conference, you know, I give my all, I leave that conference, all I leave that conference. I retreat back to my safe space here in Battle Creek and where I have water, woods, nature, and I just I internalize, and then I reflect and then I meditate and then I really really go deep into the experience. But it is one of those things where we are capable, whatever we actually fall on a personality scale, we are capable of really living into either side.

Jay Johnson:

One of my business partners, high introvert, loves training, loves conversations, but exactly kind of what you said, alona, is when they're deep, when they're meaningful, and when it's not something where it's just like shallow or anything else. So I really dig that. So, alona, I'm thinking about this purpose and when we're, when we're looking at something, say again, um, conflict in the workplace, that's a big one, and we see so often people who are not aligned, who are at each other's throats, that it's causing burnout, that it's causing impact, and I speak a lot on conflict. But I'd like to hear how, how do you incorporate, say, purpose right, like if you've got a purpose driven company. How does that impact things like interpersonal relations, communication, conflict? How does that, how does that show up in the organizational level?

Elona Lopari:

I love your question and again I'm going to go more wide view with this. I think it's the role modeling, right. It's the leadership. Everything starts with the leaders, right? That's why the impact and the thing that I always wanted to do was always clarifying who am I speaking to, who are the people that can then impact other people, right? So getting to the decision makers is always where you're going to have the biggest transformation, because obviously you know they're the ones that are making the decisions to instill healthy things within the culture and the boundaries, inside the organization and with people, so that obviously you can, you know thrive and you can manage things like conflict resolution.

Elona Lopari:

I think conflict um arises when the culture um is not clear, values are not clearly defined or even lived by, because we can have two things we can just talk about things and then do the things right.

Elona Lopari:

So there's gaps in that, there's going to be lots of unsafety and what's the right word Lack of trust, because, at the end of the day, trust is the cornerstone of human relationships.

Elona Lopari:

So if there's one thing is being said and another is being done, that's where I would take a look at some of the gaps that exist within the dynamics of sort of the leaders, the departments, all the different components that are happening inside the company. So identifying that, I think, is really important, but then eventually giving everybody clarity, right, empowering people so they can empower themselves within their roles. So don't micromanage, ensure that people have obviously clear boundaries, but tap into their own resources. So, for example, if somebody is doing your sales, do they have all the right, necessarily tools to be able to do that? And are we opening up the conversation for them to have a say in the experience? Because the ones that are in high touch and get fed by the customers every day, we're not right, we're layers, maybe, depending obviously how big the company is within the structure. So I think it's back to human compassion and respect. Honestly, it's so simple, it's not, you know, sometimes it's like, oh, my God.

Jay Johnson:

We make it, yeah, we make it more complicated than it needs to be.

Elona Lopari:

You know, it's really funny I love that you brought that up, because complicate everything yeah.

Jay Johnson:

You know well and it's. It's hilarious because there's different points of times that I've done consulting and I'm like, oh well, you just need to do this. It's going to cost you about seven minutes in every one of your meetings and they're like it's not going to be that easy. I mean, we've had this problem for 10 years and it's just like no, it's literally this easy. Add this at the beginning of your meeting seven minutes, and I promise you this is going to go away within two months. And usually I get that phone call and like, why was it so easy? Like we should have been able to do that. And I'm like you know I'm not going to say thank you for you me in to solve your big problem with this very simple thing, but I've also learned.

Elona Lopari:

If it's simple, we'll do it. If it's not simple, we don't. So one of the things that's coming up for the conflict resolution for me is that I have to interrupt you. I think at the core of that is people, not feeling seen or heard and go back to trust.

Jay Johnson:

So kill those three and you will thrive with everything else. Go ahead. Does it become? Do you think that it becomes easier for people to see us because they know what we stand for? They know what we're about, they know what we want, they know what we're motivated by and maybe they know what we're not so motivated by? How does purpose help us to get seen or, to you know, be valued for the contributions that we bring into a space?

Elona Lopari:

this space Purpose gives clarity right, and the more clear you are, the more you can work backwards. Again back to the vision that you know, whatever is it that you have. When you have that clarity, you don't make decisions for today, for tomorrow, you don't make short-sighted decisions and peer-based decisions. Those are usually the most toxic and the most you know decisions that cost companies lots of money, resources, energy, all the things that they don't want to put in. So when you have that and everybody's on the same page with that, then it's like everything works in beautiful harmony until obviously there's a new phase of growth and you've got to almost sometimes restructure, reassess and do all of that. It's like always an ongoing process. It's just like human personal development, right, I mean, you go through the next level of growth. It's chaotic, right, because now you've got to break the other end.

Elona Lopari:

Companies go through the same thing because, at the end of the day, what is a company? Just a unit, a community of people, systems and structures. That's it, and hopefully it works independently from the one individual. Everybody works together and the company can continue to breathe and grow. So that's kind of how I see purpose, being the sort of the big dot that's connected, the big roadmap for where we're going, and then all the day-to-day decisions, even though they're hard might be hard decisions, because a lot of times we are making hard decisions as leaders. If you have that intuitive insight and it connects with that bigger purpose, you almost have like a GPS around. Okay, I think this is the right decision to make right now because it's going to get me further, faster, consistent.

Elona Lopari:

To work, the thing that I want.

Jay Johnson:

Yeah, and it's that consistent and in the same direction.

Elona Lopari:

Right, I think it was Patrick.

Jay Johnson:

Yeah, I think it was Patrick Lencioni that said if you can get your whole team rowing in the same direction, you'll dominate your market. And I thought that's such a you know a brilliant observation.

Elona Lopari:

to be honest, so alone this this is the same direction always is going to um, create massive impact and create massive profits. If both you know don't align, then the company's going to struggle because, yes, everything needs to be reinvested back. Well, not everything, obviously. A lot of you know budget. This needs to be reinvested back in the company so the company can continue to grow. You got to feed it. Everything's an investment, whether you feed it with time, energy or money. Those are usually the three, the three things that we put back so that we could get an roi on our money, time, energy levels yeah, no, I, I, and I love that.

Jay Johnson:

it reminded me of the, the parable we all have. You know, there's there's two wolves fighting inside of us. One is the light and one is the dark. Which one wins? And you know, the wise sage says, the one we feed and I think that that's kind of consistent with what you're saying is when we feed it with that time, energy, investment, resources, that that is the pathway to growth, and that is the pathway to growth and that is the pathway to success. So, Elona, as we kind of wrap up here, what's maybe one or two tips from the Alona playbook that you would love to leave with our coaches, trainers, hr people, what are some things that maybe you know stand out to you as, hey, this is how I really accelerated what I'm doing. What's your thought?

Elona Lopari:

Always be focused on continuous improvement and the process and who you're actually becoming, rather than the physical results that you might have or might not have, because when you do this part, the second will always come. Maybe it's not the timing, it's not always an alignment, but that's the other wisdom that you'll get in the journey. You start to time yourself better and then you make more strategic, intentional decisions moving forward. That would be one. The other one is stay curious. Be a life student. Every day there's something new to learn and grow. Try things if you don't like them. Now you haven't one more thing that you don't like to do, right, you just get closer to the things that you like to do and let you up. Don't be afraid to try things every day. You know, put your little child hat on, inner child hat on. I do a lot of inner child work. I love that kind of work that's. I feel like that's a big, the biggest transform, transformative work when it comes to healing personally, so that you could get the results professionally as well. So stay curious.

Elona Lopari:

Life is pretty much a playground. Every day there's new opportunities to learn, grow, love the people around you, learn how to love yourself unconditionally. That's going to be our life's work. But when you reach there, then share your light with others and do the same for other people. Lead with love and compassion and, yeah, you should be all right. You should be getting pretty much a lot of our most important needs met as humans and you'll have I don't think you'll have no regrets, because that's another measure of how we've lived our lives, because we feel things that we want to do, but sometimes you know we don't listen to that. So you know we don't listen to that. So you know we we increase the chances of regret. I think you know eventually with that you'll find peace and you'll just be happy, no matter what. And when you reach that level it's just a different kind of game.

Elona Lopari:

I'd say um, just an amazing day to be on planet earth.

Jay Johnson:

So that was beautiful advice. Yeah, thank you, Elona. Some beautiful advice. Elona, if the audience wanted to get in touch with you, where might they reach you?

Elona Lopari:

They could go to my website alonaparycoachingcom. It's sort of my hub. I have 50 of the most intentional questions that I've created, the biggest transformations for me personally in my work. They'll find that free PDF book on my website. Personally in my work. They'll find that free PDF book on my website and I'll probably love to invite them to my podcast because we have a similar type of style and energy, so I think your audience would appreciate that as well. It's called the Life School Masterclass Show and it's also on my website.

Jay Johnson:

Love it. Elona, thank you so much for joining me today. We'll make sure those links are in the show notes and, of course, check out Elona's podcast. You know, when we're talking about purpose and purpose-driven leadership, I think that there's going to be some incredible takeaways from her conversations as well. So, Elona, thank you for joining me today.

Elona Lopari:

Thank you, jay, for the amazing work that you're doing out there as well and the service that you're providing towards others. Thanks for having me.

Jay Johnson:

Really appreciate that and thank you, audience, for tuning into this episode.

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