The Talent Forge: Shaping the Future of Training and Development with Jay Johnson
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The Talent Forge: Shaping the Future of Training and Development with Jay Johnson
Small Steps for Lasting Change with Roman Fischer
What if transforming your life was just a matter of embracing healthier habits? Today on The Talent Forge, we are thrilled to have Roman Fischer, an inspiring fitness coach whose personal journey is nothing short of transformative. Roman opens up about how his younger brother's health changes sparked his passion for fitness and talent development coaching. By moving away from medications and embracing a healthier lifestyle, Roman experienced a boost in energy and mental clarity that completely altered his life direction. Tune in to hear how Roman's humanitarian approach to fitness coaching, especially during the pandemic, has helped countless others find their path to well-being. His advice is not only applicable to fitness but also to any area of life where personal growth is desired.
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Welcome to this episode of the Talent Forge, where we are shaping the future of training and development. Today, I am joined by special guest Roman Fischer. Welcome to the show, roman.
Speaker 2:How's it going? How's it going, man? Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks for being here. So to get us started, why don't we? Can you help our audience get to know Roman just a little bit better? How did you get into talent development coaching and what is it that you specialize in?
Speaker 2:Definitely for sure. I specialize in helping people become better and healthier versions of themselves through fat loss, muscle growth, strength gain and then also improving their flexibility, mindset and overall consistency and motivation. What actually got me into this because I wasn't really myself crazy enough to say this, being in the fitness and coaching space, I was not always in the fitness myself, so there were a few different factors that will first got me into fitness before even coaching. So it started really with my younger brother. He started lifting weights when I was about 15 years old. So seeing him lift those weights, get inspired to do that, make that change for himself, and then see those you know changes on his body that not just with his body even, but with his energy it shifted so quickly.
Speaker 2:That was the one thing I will say that I could notice pretty, almost instantly, pretty quickly, was seeing my brother go from not as much energy more you could even say not necessarily lethargic, but not as much energy just in general. And then seeing him lift those weights, get those endorphins, boost his mood, boost his energy, his focus, and then from there, of course, three to four months down the road, seeing him make just those overall changes with his body, with how he looked and, honestly, how he felt. From there, his self-confidence just increased. Three times, at least, I'd say. And so, seeing that, witnessing that, especially as his older brother, that no doubt inspired me and I also thought, gee, I'll be honest if my younger brother can do this why can't I?
Speaker 1:So I got to jump right in.
Speaker 2:I got to take advantage of this too and I got to see what this is all about. I got to actually, you know, make a change to my body, see what this is going to do for me, because I struggled with that growing up self-confidence, just overall motivation to feel better, to do things, to look better and, honestly, yeah, just really lack that self-confidence. And so when I started working out, I noticed myself I started getting this just tremendous, tremendous amount of energy and focus and the endorphins that I was getting too from the workouts made me just feel better, like it was literally therapy or medicine in its own right, without having to take a bunch of pills and medications from doctors to try to feel better. And that's actually what I was doing back then. I was just taking so many different medications for so many different things like anxiety, depression, adhd, ocd and, yes, to an extent it did help it some, but then it created a whole bunch of other problems, a whole nother series of issues, and so when I strayed away from that medication because I eventually weaned myself off, but with working out and then eventually researching what's in our foods and drinks and just becoming better and healthier in that regard, that actually helped me shift and phase out of taking medications and it really just made me feel better.
Speaker 2:And so when I started witnessing just the overall positive benefits and positive changes I was getting not just my brother but me as well that led me to eventually just swearing off any and all medications. And then, from there, I wanted to, being a humanitarian, I wanted to share the same exact, you know, positive lifestyle and healthy lifestyle with other people around me, starting with my friends, my family members, people that I knew and trusted and loved already, and then eventually, from there and ultimately from there, I wanted to share that same exact lifestyle with everyone else beyond that, even people I didn't know, and it was crazy, but I started around the pandemic, so around 2020, when everything was just out of control Perfect timing, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's crazy, because a few people were telling me man, are you sure that's the best timing to start this online training, this online fitness coaching? Are you sure it's the best time? And I was thinking to myself it's the perfect time. It is a perfect time because, yes, it is a business and a lot of businesses are not doing the greatest in this time, but those are all the ones in person. So doing something virtual is perfect right now, no matter what industry it is. Especially when it's fitness and health, though, because so many people, you know, have been shut out of the gym because so many gyms have closed, if not basically all the gyms have closed during that time.
Speaker 2:So when that was occurring, that was like the perfect opportunity. I'm like man, I can capitalize on this. But, even more importantly, I can just help people's health, you know, improve tenfold from their own home, so that way, they don't have to worry about a gym membership, they don't have to have to commute there and back, and they can literally work on themselves. They can work on their body, they can work on their health and even their mindset, their mental health, in the process from just healthier lifestyle changes with their workouts or nutrition and, honestly, just their overall consistency and sleep and all that definitely was rewarding for me to see them make those changes, especially during such a rough time. So that's what honestly led me into it and what led me into it at a perfect, perfect opportunity.
Speaker 1:I love this and I think it's really important. So a couple of things that I want to unpack in this and kind of take in the discussion here. You know. First, with our audience being in the training and talent development space, they may be going, why is Roman here talking about personal training? And I think it's so important? For a couple of reasons, but one of the things that I want to dig into is your motivation, your drive and your energy. We're going to come to that in just a moment, but I think it's really important what you said. My background is in behavioral science and one of the things that I often see is that we and this is where it's going to apply to those trainers A lot of times people want the magic pill.
Speaker 1:They want the magic pill that's going to make them healthy, make them sleep better, make them feel better. Them sleep better, make them feel better. Whether they're dealing with significant challenges in depression, anxiety, we're oftentimes given something that's supposed to relieve it immediately. And I am a believer in Western medicine and I am a believer in science and, yes, there are definitely people who need some kind of medical support, medication in terms of support. But what you said there is really important, I think, because when we get into a more healthy lifestyle, it actually reduces the need for a lot of those things. When we're taking those medications, it's not our body telling us hey, I have a deficiency in say something like Xanax. It's saying there is something underlying whether that's psychological, whether that's physical, whether what it is that's creating the conditions for these neurochemicals blasting us. Addressing that as a root cause, as opposed to something quick. That can be really important.
Speaker 1:So here's where I want to take this for our audience. A lot of times they're going to have people that are coming into their trainings that want that quick fix and sometimes that's not going to work. You got to put the work in and the energy. And so how do you, roman, keep people motivated when we are in a society where oftentimes a $50 prescription can resolve the symptoms of a problem, you know? Or if a hundred dollar training could resolve the symptoms of sales, you know, or something like that. But in reality they got to put the work in. How do you keep people motivated in that space?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a hundred percent. We, you're so right and so correct on that. We're in such a, you know, crazy world right now where everyone wants the quick fix, everyone wants a solution like right away, like instantaneous, and that is a common issue and problem for a lot of people. I found the very best way is to, first off, just remind them and have them just stay in that zone and that headspace of why they started the journey to begin with, like why did they actually start this? And having them keep that, why that reason for starting and beginning this journey, like keeping that in the back of their head, having them write it down, even recite it, maybe daily or nightly or both, having them keep that in their mind and their headspace. That actually keeps them more consistent and it keeps them from honestly falling off, no matter the process, no matter how tough or challenging it might be for them, especially if they're starting out in their fitness journey to begin with. So that's the first way is to really prep their minds, really prep their minds and really wire their you know, thinking their headspace in the right manner, in the right order. That's the very first thing. Then the second thing is to honestly have them break down their big goals into smaller ones and I know it's been said a lot in a lot of different areas and things for life and life for people.
Speaker 2:But really breaking your bigger goals down, especially in fitness, I'll admit, because fitness is, you know, it's not, I'll admit it, because fitness is, you know, it's not just a phase and it's not just something you do, it's a lifestyle, especially if you want long-term results.
Speaker 2:And so, and for your health, of course, just your general health. But the people that are trying to achieve whatever goal it might be, you know, muscle gain, fat loss, maybe they're trying to lose 50 pounds, maybe they're trying to gain 20 pounds of muscle, whatever that might look like or be for that person or individual, you've really got to have a game plan. But you got to break those big goals into smaller ones. And so I advocate really starting small, starting small. Start, especially if you're a beginner or you're getting right into fitness for the first time in a long time, rake those goals down. So, instead of going all in and trying to dive head first and work out five to six days a week, work out three days a week, start with just three days and honestly, do like a Monday, wednesday, friday, full body split and just do a 20, 30 minute workout session for those three days. That way you're not spending all day, and just the whole day in the gym.
Speaker 1:You're not spending setting yourself up for failure in the gym then, yeah, you know, you might be motivated week one, but week two that motivation is going to start capping or anything else. And you know, it's really funny because I don't do. I don't do fitness training or anything else like that. I do behavioral change and one of the things that was brought up and, and for all those trainers out there, one of the things that I like to do is, at the beginning of a training, ask you know, why are you here? What is it that you want to accomplish? Where do you want to go from here? If tomorrow we could solve your big problem, what would it be with this training? So kind of getting that same goal? Why? And all of those out there.
Speaker 1:But I did have somebody one time say I want to lose 30 pounds and you might like this, roman, because, like, like I said, I'm not a fitness person, I'm a behavior person. So it's about, you know, wrapping behaviors, getting habits, et cetera. So I walked over to them and I went like this and I looked at their arm. I was like hold your arm out, like this. And they held their arm out and I went like this and I walked all the way back up their arm to about their elbow and I said, well, that's probably about 30 pounds. Do you want me to just cut that off? And they looked at me like what? And I'm like you got to go deeper.
Speaker 1:Why do you want to lose 30 pounds? What is it that you do? You want to feel better? Do you want to be able to have, you know, better mobility up the stairs? Do you want to be able to play with your grandkids? What is it that you want to do? And accomplish that and got them to be very, very specific. How does that specificity for you, especially when you're training and getting somebody, what does that specificity specifically do to?
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%. I love really going into their goals, but why it's important to them, why does this matter, why is this pivotal for you, why is this critical for you? So, what it does to a lot of the people I worked with, all the clients, it always gets them to think deeper and really deeper into their goals, but why they want to achieve that and their pain points. It honestly wraps around pretty nicely with their pain points and it makes them think on a whole nother level that they usually don't think on and it gets them more in that headspace of actually wanting to achieve their goals. Because when people are so you know, so surface level, on whatever goal that is, they're just like oh, I want to lose weight, you got to be more specific, okay, so how many pounds? Okay, you want to lose 20 pounds? Great, so why do you want to lose those 20 pounds? So, really digging deep, digging so deep until you can't really dig anymore.
Speaker 2:That's what I love to do with my clients and seeing them just get in that headspace, that zone, that mind space, that mentality where mind space, that mind space, that mentality where they honestly, I can see it in their eyes, in their face, that they're literally digging so deep where it's actually reaching their heart, so to speak.
Speaker 2:It's actually getting to their emotions. It's getting into really the real reason or reasons why they're wanting to achieve this, like why is it so important? Are you trying to live longer? Are you wanting to be there for your family? Are you wanting to be there to see your kids grow up, be there for your grandkids, maybe, depending on their age? But really just getting in that and getting in that emotional space, cause that's, that's a lot of it. You know, and and I know not to sound salesy or anything, but when it comes to sales, it's not really based off of price, it's based off of emotion. So, really digging into why they want to do this, why they want to do that, that's key for them making a decision to actually ultimately transform their habits and their life and health as a whole.
Speaker 1:And I love that. And I want to go back to where you were at with the goal setting. Right, like when we think about I want to lose, I want to lose 50 pounds or I want to lose 30 pounds, we we often see that that that's the top of the mountain and there's a long journey to get to the top of that mountain and there's a lot of pitfalls, barriers, there's a lot of, you know, there's wind, there's inclement weather, there's all of these other hardships and adversities that we're going to face as we're taking that journey. And I think one of the important things that you said was sort of like that starting smaller, you know, really kind of focusing on the steps. Here's one thing that I do know about fitness is, oftentimes I start my journey of fitness and this, this actually occurred with me.
Speaker 1:I'm a former athlete, used to play hockey, used to be an MMA. When I stopped doing all that, I still had the appetite. So I ended up gaining like 50 pounds. I went from 185 pounds of lean muscle all the way to like 225 pounds not so lean muscle but when that occurred, you know, I really had to kind of shift. But when I started that journey I didn't see. You know, everything just melt away quickly. You know, by the end of week one I got onto the scale and I'm like I'm at 224 pounds and I just put everything I had into this and it was one of those moments, thankfully, I remembered okay, muscle weighs more than fat. So right now I'm gaining muscle and that's probably making it look like I'm not doing as much.
Speaker 1:But stay with the game, stay with the program. Now, when our trainers and our audience, they're training, they're coaching or whatever else they've got to keep people going even if they're not seeing results immediately or quickly, like I give them a tactic, they go try the tactic. It fails once and they go okay, I'm never going to try that again, or they didn't execute or something happened or whatever else. How do you kind of help them better to understand hey, this is going to be a journey, you're going to have some setbacks. I want you to try these things and, you know, don't be so concerned that at the end of the week one you haven't lost your 10 pounds and you're. You know, how do you keep them motivated when they don't see the results as fast?
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, yeah, for sure. So that's a huge pivotal moment in the client's journey is they're trying to lose weight. That's one of the main things. Sometimes gain muscle, but it's mainly people that are trying to lose weight that really get frustrated in this situation and circumstance. So what I usually tell the client is that, hey, this is progress. It's progress over perfection. Just like what you were saying, there's going to be hiccups, there's going to be things that come up, there's going to be barriers and roadblocks. That are just part of life and part of your journey. But that's not to say and that's not to mean that you should quit. And I oftentimes give them past client testimonials and client success stories that they actually went through similar, if not the same kind of situation as you and because of that, they didn't stop, they didn't quit, they didn't fold, they kept going, they kept pushing, they kept pulling and they kept going and because of that they actually achieved their goal weight.
Speaker 2:More importantly, they actually felt better, they looked better, they could see the results in the mirror. And that actually ties into my next point here. What I tell my clients is that the scale matters to an extent, but it only matters so much what you're seeing in the mirror, how your clothes are fitting, how they're feeling when you put them on, when you wear them. And then, honestly, to any measurements that you might be taking as well, those matter that much more, like that much more, because you're seeing not only the changes in the mirror from where you were, you know, maybe a week or two ago, maybe even a month ago, depending where you're at in the journey not losing weight on the scale. If you're losing measurements and the right areas, then you know it's working.
Speaker 2:That's how you know you're burning fat, losing fat, because the scale it really makes up three different things. You know fat weight, muscle weight, water weight. If your you know weight's not always going down, that doesn't mean you're not losing fat. It could mean that you're just gaining muscle. So that's one way to look at it.
Speaker 2:Like you were mentioning, another way to keep them on track and keep them motivated is that sometimes the scale doesn't move at all and that doesn't mean that you're not making progress.
Speaker 2:It could just mean that you're also gaining just a little bit of muscle where it's not gonna move much, but you're not really losing, because muscle does way more than fat. But as long as your measurements are changing, as long as you're feeling even a little better, that's also how you know you're making some level of progress. So I always make sure to have them just know that this is something you got to be in it for the long haul. So write down any and all success that you've had, even the smallest bit of success, write that down. I always advise them to do that, to write down even the smallest wins from each week, to write that down. Track that so that way, when you're feeling down, you can even see just these small wins, these small wins that are honestly monumental, because these small changes, these small changes and small wins that are honestly monumental, because these small changes, these small changes and small wins add up to big, huge wins and changes over time.
Speaker 1:And it's so important and it's such a good tactic. You know any trainer can take that in there and really encourage hey audience. You know you're getting these things, want you to get out there, want you to try it, and I want you to track your wins and it's so important because that really does have a huge impact on our dopaminergic drive and when we win we want to win again and we want to win again and we're getting that dopamine hit. So super important and great advice for any trainer or coach get them to track those wins. You know, related to what you're saying about the scales not everything At the point in time that I was a hockey player, I was 185 pounds.
Speaker 1:So for our international audience that's about 92 kilos and 7% body fat. But I'm only 5'9" and less than 2 meters and the interesting thing is is by the BMI or anything else, I was quote obese and you know. But it's just like everybody's body's different, everybody. You know everybody comes to it in a different place. So I want to kind of talk on that for just a second right. Like some people love the journey, they love exercising. It does bring out the endorphins, they feel good.
Speaker 1:Some people hate the idea, or at least getting started, because I will tell you, even the people that I've seen that don't like exercising when they get out there, even if they just do a brisk walk or whatever else they're like, yeah, I do feel a little bit better, right, but this mental block, our brain, is designed to conserve energy sometimes and to put us in this sort of status quo and no change.
Speaker 1:And what you're talking about, roman, is massive change, physical change, lifestyle change, so on and so forth, and that can be absolutely terrifying and our brain can be our own worst enemy in that. How do you manage sort of that anxiety of people getting in their own way, because I know a lot of our audience trainers, coaches alike can look at something and be like all you have to do is this and you are gonna win. And yet the audience struggles because it's almost like they're afraid to win, or that anxiety of well, what does this mean? If I change, am I gonna have to do this the rest of my life? Am I gonna have to X, y and Z? How do you help them overcome sort of that like internalized barrier of fear or anxiety or fear of failure that I'm not going to be able to achieve the goal that I have. Do you ever encounter that and how do you manage it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I've had that a few times for sure where the client, you know, thinks that if we're working out this much, that we have to stay with that amount, you know, throughout the whole program or maybe to the next set of phases. It's a journey, it's not just a phase. But in this one specific area or phase, if you will, this is only a temporary thing that's going to get you to where you got to be. So for the next phase or part of your journey and part of your lifestyle as a whole, this is going to shift to the next thing. So you're going to keep leveling up. So if you're trying to lose weight, we're not always going to be in a deficit. We're not always going to have to cut out this many calories or add in this much activity. It'll shift with your goals. So always try to keep them in that headspace that not everything's going to stay the same. You don't have to do the same exact routine every single day, especially if this part of the phase isn't your favorite, we can always adjust it. But ultimately there's changes that are going to be made and things that are going to change with your goals. Your goals change, so the process will change to an extent.
Speaker 2:So having them understand that certain things are temporary as part of the journey, nothing's going to be permanent, nothing's going to last forever and, yeah, things are going to be adjusted, things are going to change along the way but also having them understand about, you know, failure, whether it's just that fear or just the idea of it or just, yeah, the overall fear of failure. I always have them understand that and it sounds cliche to certain people, but fear is really and truly false evidence appearing real. So, no matter where you're at in your fitness journey and no matter where they were at, I always tell them that fear is honestly just a liar. It is false evidence appearing real. So, whatever you're scared about maybe you're scared of success, even maybe you're scared of the failure, but whichever it may uh, whichever it might be for you and whichever it was for them I always just have them remember that nothing is honestly going to stop you. But you, like you, are either your own best you know success story or your, your own worst enemy.
Speaker 2:So having them realize and understand that that the things that you're worried about aren't really ever going to come to pass they almost never come to pass. So I always have them keep that in the back of their head, along with just everything that they have accomplished, everything they've accomplished. I have them write that down to you and, honestly, sometimes I'll even tell them to write down their wins by all the things that they're scared of and seeing how those wins can actually contradict their fears At the same time. I've seen it before and I've heard it before that they have all these wins stacked on one column. Then on the other column they write down their fears and everything that they were afraid of or maybe are still afraid of, and then I have them just analyze their wins and compare and contrast with their fears, and usually their wins actually contradict what they're afraid of. So it's really amazing, just that alone.
Speaker 2:And then a few other bonus things I do for my clients. As far as some bonus tips for anyone listening to you is, I'll have my clients encourage them to travel or at least, even if they don't have the means to maybe travel to another state, to another country, even just to get out into nature. Get out into nature, hike, do something different. You don't always got to go to the gym. The gym will help. Maybe working out at home that'll help too, but get out into nature, go for a hike, go for a walk. Even just outside, if you're near, like a forest or a hiking trail, just go out for a walk.
Speaker 2:Unwind, reset, resetting your mind is one of the most powerful things anybody can do, no matter what stage you are in life and fitness, just in general.
Speaker 2:Getting out, going out for a walk, letting loose, inhaling, exhaling the basics, and then even listening to some kind of meditation, music, binarial beats, even, whatever that looks like, whatever that is. But those type of things can be monumental for just cleansing your mind from the inside out and, honestly, keeping you on track and preventing you from getting off track and from letting that fear overtake you, because the worst thing you could possibly do and I tell my clients this too you, because the worst thing you could possibly do and I tell my clients this too, but the worst, the very worst thing I should say that you could possibly do is let fear get the best of you, because that's the only time fear will actually win is if you allow it and encourage it really to get the best of you. Otherwise it really has no place and you can triumph over that fear. Otherwise it really has no place and you can triumph over that fear.
Speaker 1:I really like the tactic you shared about comparing and contrasting your wins versus your fears. I think that's really smart and I think that's a powerful, powerful way to kind of demonstrate visually for somebody you know. As you were talking about getting out into nature, so I am. I am a person who no longer loves the gym. I just I lost the love for the gym and everything else. So my exercise and the way I still exercise, every day for at least 30 minutes and I call it Viking physical therapy. So I'm outside swinging an ax, like I live in an area where it's all wooded and everything else. So I'm out there either swimming or ice swimming or swinging an axe or flipping over tree trunks, and I have a routine that I follow and I found that that brings me a lot of joy, just being outside and being able to do that.
Speaker 1:I want to shift one last question here for you, roman, because every coach, every trainer has experienced it. When they provide the guidance, they give the encouragement, they help tap into the, why they help tap into the, they do all of the right things, the things that we as trainers or we as coaches can control, and we still see the person sitting across from us struggle, or maybe they're not necessarily living up to their own expectations or even following the suit. And for us, as the trainer, it can be really frustrating to be like geez, roman, just do what I'm telling you, and this is you're going to see the results, but they just they can't get out of their own way. How have you managed your own internal? You know, as a coach, when maybe somebody is not not living up to the advice or not following the guidance and, you know, maybe get stuck in their own way.
Speaker 1:How do you manage your own internal? Maybe frustrations with that Cause? I'll tell you, I've been in this situation where I'm just like, I am so frustrated because this person's just not doing what they know they need to do. How do you manage your inside? Not necessarily them, but like how do you manage your inside? Not necessarily them, but like, how do you manage your frustration? Stay on your game plan to keep yourself focused.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yes, it can be frustrating, I'll admit, I will admit that. But even in that, you know moment, that instance, I always like to realize that I struggled with that same thing. So I try to see myself in them. That's the first thing, that's empathy.
Speaker 2:I always try to see myself in them and put my you know self in their shoes and honestly look at my past self, because I used to not even care about this.
Speaker 2:So when I take it, you know, even just a few steps back, I quickly begin to realize, man, yes, it is frustrating, admittedly, it's very frustrating that they're not always, you know, taking my advice into consideration, or maybe they are, but they're not fully considering it. So that is frustrating. But at the same exact time, I will rewind, you know, several, several years back, almost a decade ago, and I'll just begin to quickly realize, man, I was in that same place. In fact, I wasn't even in the gym, I wasn't even working out, I was literally just I play video games, I sat on the couch, I went to school, just did the usual stuff that most kids would do, but I would just not care about fitness. So I can't get too mad at them either. So I got to realize and really take that into consideration heavy consideration for myself and realize that, yes, they do got to follow the blueprint, they got to follow the guide to see the results, but I got to be patient with them, because some people just need a bit more guidance, some people need a bit more help, and that's just part of the game, it's part of the process. But in the long run, I realize that that is usually the case for a lot of people out there, because some people are just lost and even if they're given the guidance, the direction they need and the direction they want and deserve, they're not always going to follow it right away because sometimes they're just so stuck in their old ways. So, being patient, seeing myself in them, my past self in them, and honestly, just being that guide, that accountability partner throughout, from start to finish but I don't even like to say to finish, because there's always room for improvement, but from start to where we're at, to where we're going to keep going.
Speaker 2:So just keeping that mindset, staying in that headspace for myself, I found, is really really effective and then, honestly, sometimes not scrapping the blueprint but really focusing on one small part of the blueprint and then, when they complete that part, go to the next part. So, instead of focusing on the whole phase for the workout for the 12 weeks let's say, to lose weight maybe just focus on the first few days and just really focus on that and what we can do in just a few days and then just build upon that and really increasing the workouts as needed. Focus on that and what we can do in just a few days and then just build upon that and really increasing the workouts as needed, but sometimes just keeping it very, very simple. I found this very effective to you that way. They may not get the results they want nearly as much, but they will get it in time. It'll take longer, but sometimes you just got to do that for certain people that just need a bit more patience, that need a bit more accountability, so that helps quite a bit.
Speaker 1:So much insight in what you just said. You know, in terms of like, habit and behavior, sometimes you have to reduce the scope and keep the habit. You know, even if it's going to take longer to get there, you know, even if I commit to writing 10 pages every single day and maybe I'm just not feeling like writing today, still get in there and write a sentence, write a, write a page, write a paragraph, whatever it is. Reduce the scope, keep the habit. So there's great insight in that. But I think the real golden nugget that you just dropped for our audience is yes, if you're training, if you're coaching, you're now the expert. You've taken that journey.
Speaker 1:But empathizing and taking a step back to when you weren't the expert, when you did struggle with these same things, and how you came to be into that space of expertise in your craft, I think that's such brilliant insight and it's, you know, that empathizing and that really kind of putting yourself in their position is a really good way to humanize some of the challenges that they're facing. So awesome, awesome insight on that, roman. Thank you so much, roman. If my audience wanted to get in touch with you, where would they find you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if you want to just get in touch with me, you can actually find me on my social media, at Roman Fisher Official, on Facebook, instagram, tiktok, youtube and LinkedIn. If you're on LinkedIn, all at Roman Fisher Official, or you can go directly to my website, romanfisherofficialcom. You can see more of my client transformations, testimonials and if you have any fitness goals that you need help with, you can go to my website fill out a quick form and we can get you started.
Speaker 1:That's incredible. Thank you, roman. We'll make sure that those links are in there and you're all over the social media so it'll be easy to find you. I just want to say thank you so much for coming to the show and sharing your insight and your approach. I think it was really valuable and insightful.
Speaker 2:Definitely. I appreciate it, man. It was a great conversation today.
Speaker 1:And thank you, audience, for tuning into this episode of the Talent Forge, where we are shaping the future of training and development.
